Carlton Brown is the author of the fascinating new book, Sun God Sacred Secrets, in which he literally digs deep into the archaeology of ancient ritual sites, lost civilizations, and their association with altered states of consciousness.
Carlton is a former biotech entrepreneur and researcher whose lifetime fascination with archaeology and lost civilizations drove him to write this book, and continues to drive him to dig deeper and deeper into topics like the archeology shared by four different Sun god religions spanning five millennia of human history and how they can be tapped into today.
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Sun God Sacred Secrets by Carlton Brown
Carlton Brown Transcript
Tim Knox: Carlton, welcome to the program.
Carlton Brown: Thank you very much Tim and its great to be here today.
Tim Knox: We’re very excited to having you here. Your new book Sun God Sacred Secrets, I think it is a fascinating read; we appreciate you being on the program to talk about that but before we get started, if you will, give us a little background of you.
Carlton Brown: Sure Tim, thank you very much for the great introduction there. I guess, sort of a high level I’ve had very eclectic and colorful background, also very busy and probably a path less traveled. Born in the UK in the 1965, raised in New Zealand and moved to NZ when I was a young boy. Qualified as a vet researcher in 1986 and I would part my career in New Zealand and the other part in the UK.
I think during that career and certainly expanding through to the more modern times I’ve traveled extensively over five years. I’ve lived in a number of different countries, accumulated a lot of hobbies and life has kept me busy.
But I guess the real focus came to my life in the mid-90’s I went to London and I did my MBA there, did the thesis in market disruptive invasion for the pharmaceutical biotech industry, little bit of an apprenticeship afterwards and moved to France. I started working for a vaccine company there, identified a very big problem in terms of viral diseases and the unmet need and set about in really trying to solve that technology bottleneck.
Founded a company in 2003 called Immune Targeting Systems and we innovated a novel vaccine technology platform targeting mutating viruses and things like pandemic fluid, hepatitis B, hepatitis C and HIV and during that time raised something like 23 million pounds, took that from a theoretical concept through clinical validation and something like 3 and a half year and in 2012 I stepped down from my role as CEO transitioned to leadership and I moved to Guatemala and become the author and it took me about a year in total to write and publish my book and the life journey continues I guess today.
Tim Knox: You’ve got quiet the entrepreneurial background. How did you end up being an author, were you always an author, did you always write? Were you always working on something in the written word?
Carlton Brown: No! I absolutely had no idea I would ever do this and for me, I had an interest, there were platform of events, I guess from starting an early childhood and being indoctrinated into an unusual ways of looking at the ancient world in particular Giza. I had a travel adventure to Guatemala in 97’ and came to Lake Atitlan; this place just gets hot in spiritual way. I had what I would say, was an experience of altered states of consciousness sleeping on one of the Pyramids of Djedkare in 1997 and it was on holiday in Egypt, I was reading a book, I would say that book inspired Graham Hancock to write Finger Prints of the Gods.
It was in reading this book had picked my curiosity and I asked a series of questions and when I got back to the UK and bear in mind and I was working as a CEO of Immune Targeting Systems at this time and this ultimately became a hobby and I created a global pyramid map and I started to see things and I just started following a whole series of questions I had and before I knew it, I’d really uncovered the framework of the story that became Sun Gods Sacred Secrets and ultimately the writing and being an author was a means to an end so, that no intentions over it originally but to be honest, its an incredibly invigorating thing to do and that particular book was the first of the number I’m going to write.
Tim Knox: The audio dropped that just a second there, what was the name of the book that really kind of got your curiosity going.
Carlton Brown: Sure, it was called Path of the Poles and it was written by a guy called Charles Hapgood he was a professor of, I believe sociology but he was really investigating lost continents and lost civilizations, he know the fact of the Antarctica was covered in ice and according to the maps that he had at this ancient maps it once was free of ice. That was a very interesting, groundbreaking book and as I said, I think that book inspired Graham Hancock to write Fingerprints of the Gods.
Tim Knox: So this inspired you to really write the book Sun God Sacred Secrets. Give us an overview of that book and we’ll talk about the process for writing it, what was the book about?
Carlton Brown: Sure! I think the title is very descriptive of what the book is actually about, it’s the archaeology, the art and science of altered states of consciousness and in a very high level, it’s a book about an archaeological fingerprints shared by 4 different Sun God religions, spanning 3 different continent and more that 5,000 years of human history and that fingerprints effectively reveals the sacred ritual process processes to accessing altered states of consciousness and that really was the bases of those religions.
What’s unique about this book is it explores the functional significance of the archaeology and the context of the sciences supporting the altered states of consciousness and the intention behind the book is really about helping people practically accept its spirituality and universal consciousness and in my view I believe this is a major shortcoming of their religions the particularly monotheistic religions.
What I’m trying to do here is to give people a process by which they can access these states of consciousness.
Tim Knox: So in your mind this is all really tied together, the archaeological finds that you have uncovered is really tied to the altered states of consciousness or the unaltered states of conscious of people today?
Carlton Brown: Yea! I think the thing that we’ve got to do when we look at these ancients sites, these pyramids, Sun God Temples around the world is realized that they were the very epicenters of these religions and as such, they were effectively managed by priesthoods and priesthoods were in the business of developing and utilizing sacred ritual process to accessing these states of consciousness and I think its very easy to dismiss ancient religion in terms of the weirdness of the mythologies, the cosmologies, their structure and these were stories effectively created around, the experiences that these people were having at the time as a result of these ritual processes.
Tim Knox: Now, this must have been a quiet interesting book to write, how long did it take you to research and write this and I think you ended up in Guatemala to actually write the book? How did all this come about?
Carlton Brown: Well, I would say, how do we call it, going from the beginning to the end in terms of creating that order trails in terms of the science and story, probably took me about 6 or so months to put it together, so in 2008 to early 2009, I pretty well much built the idea and then refined that idea over some months on the second half 2012 and pretty well much on the beginning of October, 2012, I set about writing the book and took me about 7 months to write and took me another 6 months to edit it and the book got published in January this year. I would say it is still the lifetime of travel, I’ve been traveling a long time looking at these places, thinking, contemplating and 2008 through 2012 was really when the bulk of the research got on.
Tim Knox: Now, before you got interested in this, before the experiment or the experience you had at the pyramid, were you always a spiritual person and were you always looking for answers?
Carlton Brown: I think so! I can remember back to childhood and I have no idea how these happened but realizing that my life was somehow tied into religion, spirituality, mythology, ancient history, conspiracy and UFOs. All of those things before the 10 years of age, I was very, very interested in. I also knew that there was a truth that we didn’t really fully understand the truth with that particular stage, so this is somehow I would say is being with me most of my life.
Tim Knox: You seem to be someone who has an inquisitive mind and I think that probably played a huge part in your entrepreneurial career, did it not, because you were looking into viruses and vaccines, I mean you were looking for answers medically but now you are more spiritually and maybe metaphysically, is that true?
Carlton Brown: I think, curiosity without a shadow of the doubt that actually, I think my big interest is solving problems and innovation and thinking about mutating viruses and making T-Cell vaccines with that to date it’s a 25 – 30 year technology bottle-neck in the global pharmaceutical industry, people haven’t figured this out.
So the opportunity, how do we call it, put myself into that arena with graveyard legacy, for me it was a lot of fun but incredibly hard work. I think when we are talking about the subject of religion, my sort of general view is actually people don’t really understand what religion and spiritual are really about. I get to the heart of the problem here and I’m really responding to the question (author) J. Krishnamurti asked in The Transformation of Man: what’s going to take for our species to wake up and evolve its consciousness and in line with what its true potential is and for me the answer to that question is give people their sacred rituals back. These have been taken away from the humanity over the last couple of thousand year and I think what it does is it leaves the human population largely in the dark today.
Tim Knox: You make really a good point in it, I’ve always found this interesting and one of the big words in religion of course is faith. Faith meaning, you take it at face value without doing a tremendous amount of digging and looking and that sort of thing and you’re more or less the opposite, your curiosity is causing you to seek these answers. One of the things you talk about in the book is a shared archaeological finger print, exactly what does that mean?
Carlton Brown: Sure, I think you are absolutely right about the searching and its very hard to make your ways through and figure out actually what life is about, what’s the meaning of life so I very much taken the approach that I need to figure out and answer that for myself and I need to share that with other people that I believe I had some very profound insight to share with other people.
So for me it was really a matter of what I was excited about in terms of the pyramids largely went back to a time before the current era. When I say current era I mean before Christianity, Islam and Judaism, and the other spiritual faiths as well.
So its an opportunity to look at in rather uncorrupted fashion, what these religions were about, what they were doing and therefore for me archaeology was a means to an end, it provides an incredible amount of information and I think the fingerprint that I’m referring to is to really two-fold; first it is about alignments and I’ve researched for this book something like about 450 pyramids and temples.
The overall observation is 80% of these temples and pyramids are over site plans aligned with the equinox and all the solstice and when you look at that still further something like half are aligned with the equinox and third aligned to the solstice, so I had to figure that out and ultimately what these boils down to is that that these ancient Sun God Religions all held the most important sacred rituals and festivals on the solstice is as the equinox is.
So the alignments are about telling time and secure these ritual dates, these very important dates where they were able to access spirit world. And the second part of the fingerprint builds on the alignment fingerprinted what I found was what I would call it triad fingerprint is symbol information embedded with over the deity after and icon so these are murals, these paintings, these sun god temples over the pyramids that combine pictures of the deity, the sun god deity, the sun god of goddess, sacred time symbolism. In the case equinox, that was the second symbol and in terms of the solstice symbol that was the 47 degree-angle, it was like the angle in between 2 verticals being 47 degrees, they use that to proportion shape and outline components of the deity. That was always in combinations with hallucinogen, what I would call infusions, these neuro-chemicals that we know are associated with the deep meditative state or transcendental states of consciousness.
That fingerprint is throughout the world, it’s not just in Egypt and pre-Columbia, Latin America and so Central America with South America in India and also in other religious cultures found the world throughout.
Tim Knox: As you were doing your research were you often in awe of the accomplishments of these early people? I mean just the science and the physical work that had to go into all these just from that point of view, had to be incredible? I mean just a lot, right?
Carlton Brown: I’m still in awe, Tim, of what I’ve come to understand and I think the misconception we have today is that we represent tentacles of civilization and humanities development and I beg to differ on that.
I think genetically we have not evolved possibly in tens if not hundreds of thousands of years and when you look at the incredible depth of talent and variation from the absolute scientific to the absolute creative today, I would say these phenotype of the population which characteristics existed in the ancient world population and when we look at these structures, I’m in awe, these guys understood aspect, it’s a science which we are left scratching our head today and I think there’s a truth and the truth around our history that is not part of mainstream society today and so I’m very much stand in awe and I think there’s some incredible lessons we’ve got to learn from the last 15,000 years.
Tim Knox: Yes, I often think about what if all of our technology went away suddenly, could man today achieve what man achieved all those years ago. If you came to me and said okay, we’re going to build this pyramid without any equipment or any technology, just get a bunch of guys and let’s go, I don’t think modern man would be too keen on that, do you?
Carlton Brown: I think you can look a lot of these places and for your sure, you look a lot of the pyramids in Yucatan in Mexico and in South America which I think we could but I think there are examples of Pyramids Giza the one that springs out the most that it just defines explanation, why would you build such an edifice of that scale with the tolerances of the gaps between blocks and why would you ship particular types of rocks 700 kilometers just to use the internal structure of the pyramid? For me, I scratch my head at how they achieved that and I say to myself we’ve really not got our history right.
Tim Knox: I agree, you mentioned the alignment and locationing, what is the significance of these 2 things?
Carlton Brown: What I’ve mentioned is that the macro level of the alignments is it tells a sacred time, it tells us the equinox and the solstices, but I think there’s another aspect to these and we mentioned before but we are not going into too much in-depth, but all of these Sun God religions were housed in lightning centres or on the same longitude as the lightning centers and the lightning centers were the massive generator of the global electromagnetic fields that we paved in. So that was one observation.
The other is that the Central American and South American Sun God Religions are all housed in lightning centers, sorry, on fault lines and also in close proximity to volcanoes and we know from the signs today in terms of earthquake predictions and what not that these generators are extremely low frequency electromagnetic radiation, staggeringly, when we look at these pyramids, what we see is when we even looking from space is that they are clustered into alignments of anywhere between a hundred and a thousand kilometers long and that line delineates the dusk and the dawn or the sunrise on the winter solstice and the sunset on the summer solstice and we were looking from space directly underneath and what I did in going into the research of this book was come to understand some physics even the process that go on.
Ultimately what they’ve done is to house these religions in what I would call enriched electromagnetic and magnetic environments so that people in different parts of the kingdom or the empire would simultaneously experience the same fields on these sacred dates. So this was really about helping their religion and helping their religion having reach over a very large area.
Tim Knox: But Carlton, did they accomplish this by the stars, by the alignment, how did they do this?
Carlton Brown: You know, it’s a good question and the simple answer is I don’t know and I don’t think anyone can definitely say or I think you’ve called it, want it and pure chance, it’s how to sceptically respond.
There’s another that says that it was a certain priesthood object in other word if you are a priest and you are focused on the conduct of rituals and securing ritual dates and this will be quiet obvious and you would be clearly very adapted understanding on the archeo-astronomy effectively.
There’s another more complicated element and its not really touched in the book and that is that this are connected societies and culture and there was a seeding of ancient civilizations by a common theme if you like or common group of people and I’m probably more proponent that there was a seeding of the Egyptian and these Americans, South American and other religious cultures in the world from some primordial civilization that may have been lost in some global catastrophe.
There are others as well, you know altered states of consciousness and I do think could people will simultaneously access an altered states, I do believe that its possible that some could communicate and then of course you’ve got a whole raft of people and I’m certainly not a believer that have seen UFO and that there’s been some level of alien intervention on human history and this is what we see in archaeology is the results of that intervention and I think keeping an open mind there’s probably the 5 possibilities and I’m more of a fan a seeding of the coming culture.
Tim Knox: You talk about the altered states of consciousness, lets go into that a little deeper if we can talk and tell us a little bit more about your thoughts on the altered states.
Carlton Brown: Sure, I think in a very high level I think the thing that I find a lot of people are not aware of is that we’ve been down with a number of different states of consciousness so we are all very aware of being awake, going to sleep at night time and then we dream while we are aware asleep if we’re lucky and so you know those are the commonly understood states of consciousness but when we look at since the birth of the field of the transversal psychology and other various clinical disciplines is that we are coming to recognize that we have a fourth state of consciousness that I would say loosely referred to as altered states of consciousness and what this is, its different from the awakened state and effectively there are varying degrees of transcending our identities, so what I mean by that is our body, our sensory awareness, our ego, mind and also outside of time and outside of space basically and if we look at what I’ve done here is to really approach this from two angles in the book as to what are the clinical psychologists say in terms of the sorts of phenomena that are possible and one of the mystics of the great religion saying for me the surprising thing is just the same very very similar things.
We can look at the stats, if we would break this down as an array of phenomena goes within objective reality, so objective reality is basically space, time and the awareness of our body and there are those experiences beyond objective reality for example these could be encounters with deity, with spirits, with elves and pixies and those sorts of things, aliens as well and possibility of awareness about the universe so you defy physics, they were very differently things like chakra and activation, spiritual healing, states of unity consciousness where, you know where instead of having the subject object, environment that we are living is a collapse of that you are outside of the physical universe and you just have this awareness that you are connected to everything and everything is connected to you are effectively a part of God.
I have those experiences that are incredibly profound and you’re bathed and bliss in love and awareness and the most incredible experience humans could ever have, so you know Stanislav Grof, if anyone who really wants to know about this, he’s written a fantastic book its called LSD Doorway to Numinous and he really goes in through this in quiet some detail and its definitely a read.
Tim Knox: I find it fascinating, I think one of the things before the call, you told me you were meditating, is that one way to access the altered state? What are the few other ways, how does one access altered states of consciousness.
Carlton Brown: Okay, I mean it’s a very good question and there’s no one single way. If I were to reduce this down to one of the gateway process if you like and for me meditation is a gateway process and I think most people’s understanding of awareness is around developing in a peace and calm and quiet and mindful, you can take your meditation to a whole new level, you know there’s a door in that depth of peace and serenity and quietness and stillness where you can effectively dissolve your reality and experience these states of consciousness.
I think we can greatly assess that process with the use of entheogens and timing our meditation around sunrise and sunset solstices, the equinoxes. Those things that really want the ancient sun God priesthoods did.
They accessed altered states through that process of meditation, taking hallucinogens, incensory silence, aligning themselves with magnetic north. Then we can look outside of organized religion and realize shamanism is basically what I would call the tribal religion that is being with humanity before the dawn of time and when you look at some of the work Michael Hann has done, he estimates something like 80% of shamanic societies used drumming.
So they are using rapid drumming to generate sustentative frequencies in the brain and help people access altered states of consciousness and then there are things like technology, Deepak Chopra markets these interesting glasses that uses light different, colored light you are able to access altered states through that sensory deprivation or sorts of things.
But I think when we look into the ancient world we have shamanist approaches like the drumming and the use of infugens and then when we look at priesthood led religions and was around meditation sensory silence and the use of hallucinogens as well.
Tim Knox: You know in my generation the 60s, was very much the psychedelic era and when everyone was checking out and getting into sort of thing, looking at what you’ve discovered, talk a little bit about the 60s because it really was the psychedelic era, I think in my generation more than any other time.
Carlton Brown: Yea, I mean I also think about that too, what would’ve been like to been brought up in just one generation before myself and I can imagine what an incredible experience.
But if I’m being philosophical in light of what I’ve learned here to is that when Gordon Wessen went to Mexico and met Maria Celina he was introduced to her and she gave him themagic mushrooms and then he took that back to Harvard and gave samples to Albert Hoffman and Albert Hoffman isolated the Psilocybin then went off to make LSD. What I would say is that was an incomplete retrieval of the sacred ritual process, so what they did was to grab the hallucinogens, but what they didn’t do was to grab the meditation and sensory silence, the geomancy principle, the sacred time, the solstices and the equinoxes.
The fact that this was an incredibly sacred process that these people went through and it was how do we call it, there was no harmony and this is a multipart story and we are fortunate that you are able to experience that but I think a lot of damage got up and that people were effectively taking the stuff, they were tuning in, they were dropping out, they were combining it with other drugs and alcohol and society just wasn’t ready for this.
What I find interesting today is I’m a member of a number of sites and you look and trip report of people taking various psychoactive substances and the thing that surprises me is that very few are doing this or detailing the sacred ritual process and you see an incredible number of combining this with other drugs and alcohol.
I think what we’ve got to do is if society really wants to have these things back and be able to utilize them, we really have to get our act together and understand that they should be used in a very responsible context, whether that is sacred or whether it’s in therapeutic settings such as helping the elderly or dealing with addictions, of that sort.
Tim Knox: Carlton, this book is kind of multifaceted, who do you think is going to be interested in this book. Who will benefit from reading your book?
Carlton Brown: Sure, I think the first part of the book for sure is some very unique archaeology and I think there’s a lot of people out there really searching the archaeology for answers and so I think if people are looking for a very integrated, composite explanation of our ancient archaeological past, I think this book is a very informative read and the people will get a lot out of it.
I think another aspect is there are people manipulating consciousness already today and we’ve mentioned the people who take psychedelics and there are medical segments such as the elderly and people dying dealing with their existential crisis, people with addictions and so if you are looking for a very direct, a book without a religious dogma and you really want to know something about accessing altered states of consciousness, I think there’s a lot of very valuable information on this, and then when I look at places like Central and South America, these places that have been dispossessed of their ancient religion, had that replaced with Christianity, for example I think there was very unique knowledge and insights available to those people as well so I effectively really seeing 3 types of people, but I think anyone with the stage of life as well with their asking questions about the deeper meaning of life and might be little cynical and jaded about the religion options that we have today, this is what I would call a bridge of science to altered states and it gives you everything you need to know in order to put your hips through that door and maybe even access altered states of consciousness.
Tim Knox: Carlton, it is a fascinating book, Sun God Sacred Secrets, tell the audience how they can learn more about you, where can they find the book and everything you have going on.
Carlton Brown: Sure, the book is available online, Amazon, iBookstore and Kobo, Barnes and Noble, and find out more about me and the things that I’m up to and my blog is on www.carltonbrownv47.com and there’s a number very interesting free resources, there is a file for Google Earth where you can look at all of these regions and something like 450 temples and pyramids around the world.
There’s a meditation calendar available to help you time your meditations around the solstices and equinoxes who didn’t know when sun rises and sun set is.
I’m going to be posting very shortly a large number of photo albums of all of the pyramids and stone circles and other archaeological sites that I’ve been to. That’s how you get hold of me and in terms of what I’m up to over the next year, clearly I’m going to be ramping up the marketing of Sun God Sacred Secrets and trying to get myself into public forums, if you like conferences on radio, TV, that sort of things.
I’m moving next week as well up to the Northern Guatemala and so I’m going to be continuing doing a lot more archaeology in the Alpatine jungle and also I’m going to starting my second book, so I mentioned to you earlier about parking myself in problems and one of my other pet interests around global climate change and I guess this story that were not being told, so this is a book that’s going to get underway over the coming weeks and probably will take me 6 straight months to write.
And me and my girlfriend will take a slow motion bike trip around Central America and we’re going to hit south to South America on the way around the world for too real adventures.
Tim Knox: There are worst ways to spend your time than motoring around with a pretty girl behind you on the bike.
Carlton Brown: And in front of me sometime.
Tim Knox: Ah, there you go.
Carlton Brown: And a lot of times too and she is very capable motor bike rider, you know you’re right, I feel very fortunate to have taken this chapter in life so it will go on for few more years and investing in the things that I really want to do and I believe that I’m into that.
Tim Knox: Carlton Brown, a fascinating life, a fascinating book, Son God Sacred Secrets, you can find it in Carlton’s website, carltongbrownv47.com. Carlton this has been a pleasure, best of luck to you, do keep me posted as to your adventures, send me pictures.
Carlton Brown: I will do Tim and I really appreciate you taking the time to do this interview with me and greatly appreciate it and absolutely would love to stay in touch.