When Dr. Adrian Zoebel, the handsome cancer specialist twice voted one of L.A.’s Most Eligible Bachelors, is accused of ending the lives of twelve of his terminally-ill patients, investigative reporter Matthew Cruze is assigned to cover the trial.
When the charges against Zoebel are dropped and he joins forces with the top reality show producer in Hollywood to create the reality show Angel of Mercy, where guests literally take their last breath, Cruze makes it his personal quest to uncover the truth.
That’s the premise of Angel of Mercy, the new book from Tim Knox. In this interview, recorded during Tim’s appearance on WTKI-Radio with host Fred Holland, Tim discusses the new book, what inspired him to write it, and his process for doing so.
NOTE: This interview is from Tim’s live appearance on the Fred Holland Radio Show on WTKI-AM/FM.
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Angel of Mercy:
When Dr. Adrian Zoebel, the rich, handsome cancer specialist twice voted one of L.A.’s Most Eligible Bachelors, is accused of ending the lives of twelve of his terminally-ill patients, L.A. Times investigative reporter Matthew Cruze is determined to uncover the truth.
But before Cruze can start digging Hollywood mega-producer Marc Cronenburg rushes to Zoebel’s defense and secludes the good doctor in his Malibu mansion. Cronenburg uses his considerable political clout to not only get the charges against Zoebel dropped, but to also get the medically-assisted suicide laws changed in California.
Why the sudden interest in the right-to-die movement? Cronenburg is known for creating ultra-violent reality shows, not for his compassion for the sick and dying. It becomes crystal clear when Cronenburg and Zoebel team up to create Angel of Mercy, a weekly reality show where terminally-ill guests vie for the chance to die at the practiced hand of their host, Dr. Adrian Zoebel.
Three years later, Matthew Cruze is still obsessed with Zoebel’s alleged crimes. It doesn’t help that Angel of Mercy is the number one television show on the planet and Zoebel is an international superstar. Then a ghost from Zoebel’s past appears at Cruze’s door in the middle of the night, offering to reveal the dark truth about Zoebel’s victims; a truth that guarantees more people will die, perhaps even Matthew Cruze.
Tim Knox Transcript
Fred Holland: Tim Knox, who many of you know; he’s been on the radio station, been on in the market. Have you ever had a day job? It’s always been other stuff.
Tim Knox: You know, I’ve had day jobs but they always came second to the fun stuff.
Fred Holland: You do have fun.
Tim Knox: I try. Fun is the best thing to have.
Fred Holland: I talk to more people and I’ve met more people who write books… they’re people who talk about writing books.
Tim Knox: Everybody thinks they’re a writer.
Fred Holland: I’m one of those. I think I can write a book. I’ve got one like tucked away. The one thing is, and I talked to a writer you may know not too long ago, three or four months ago. I said, “How long have you been working on the book?” He said 30 years. It took you 30 years?
Tim Knox: He wrote that one quick.
Fred Holland: Everyone kind of has their thing but you got to be a little off.
Tim Knox: Me?
Fred Holland: To write, particularly to write a mystery or…
Tim Knox: You do. I’ve written a lot of business stuff. I wrote the Everything My Mama Knows about Business or whatever the heck the name of it was years ago. Did a lot of writing on business columns but doing something like a work of fiction where you have to make it up as you go along and you have to…
Fred Holland: And you’ve got to make it believable.
Tim Knox: You do and the hard part is coming up with these characters and inventing people and giving them a backstory. It ends up being kind of fun but it is a definite chore.
Fred Holland: Alright so Angel of Mercy is… I mean because they’re doing this in Europe and we’re talking about it here about this whole idea of when you want to check out, you can check out. This story centers around a character with this whole euthanasia thing.
Tim Knox: It does. Now they’re calling it medically assisted suicide.
Fred Holland: I think Oregon…
Tim Knox: Oregon. There’s probably a dozen states that have already passed it or are looking to pass it. basically what it comes down to… in the book I call it death with dignity. I should be able to live my life as I want and I should be able to end my life as I want. That is the idea behind the death with dignity in the what they call medically assisted suicide – basically what Jack Kevorkian did. He was the big guy in the euthanasia mercy killing.
Fred Holland: Dr. Death.
Tim Knox: He would administer the drugs. He would stay there with the person until they died. The new law that’s coming around is you can… if you have a terminal disease, if you have six months or less to live, you can submit a written request to your doctor for a prescription to get the drugs to end your life.
Fred Holland: The doctor can’t do it but you can.
Tim Knox: The doctor doesn’t do it. Basically the doctor can prescribe the drugs. You can get instructions on Google. But really it’s not as simple as that. The person has to really jump through a lot of hoops. You have to submit a written request to the doctor. If this doctor refuses you can go to another doctor. Then you have to get two people who have no interest in your death to testify that you’re terminal.
Fred Holland: You’re not emotionally distraught and…
Tim Knox: It’s kind of a catch 22 because the last thing you do is you have to get a mental examination to prove that you’re sane. Well, you must be insane to want to end your life but you must be sane to end your life. That was what got me thinking about this book and created this entire reality show concept around the idea of medically assisted suicide.
Fred Holland: So this doctor, your main character.
Tim Knox: Dr. Adrian Zoebel, a handsome devil in his own right. He is a Los Angeles cancer doctor and he is accused of assisting in the suicide deaths of 12 of his patients. He’s arrested and the lead character in the books is a Los Angeles Times reporter, Matthew Cruze, and he’s following the story. Enter a guy who is a big reality show producer in Hollywood and he gets the idea of building a reality show around this doctor.
Fred Holland: Around people who are terminally ill.
Tim Knox: Around people who are terminally ill. If you look at reality shows now, about the only thing they’re not doing is killing someone. Give it awhile, they will.
Fred Holland: The Hunger Games is built around killing people.
Tim Knox: I would like to see Survivor, rather than these stupid games – let’s have a knife fight or something.
Fred Holland: It may come to that.
Tim Knox: But what this producer does, he’s very powerful and he gets the law in California changed to the Death with Dignity Act. He gets the doctor cleared of the charges. They create a reality show called Angel of Mercy, which goes on to be the number one show. The doctor is dating Hollywood’s starlets but the reporter, Matthew Cruze, still feels that there was murder committed and hence the book.
Fred Holland: So this is into the you get drunk with power things that can happen.
Tim Knox: I think you do. They say power corrupts, absolute power corrupts.
Fred Holland: Wow. So this guy goes through the whole thing apparently.
Tim Knox: He does. He’s the only one who suspects foul play, although that’s what the show is about.
Fred Holland: Angel of Mercy. This guy, Matthew Cruze, investigation by Tim Knox. It’s your first novel I guess?
Tim Knox: This is the first one that I’ve actually published. I’ve got six more in a box.
Fred Holland: Angel of Mercy is Tim’s first novel, well the first one published. How do people find it?
Tim Knox: TimKnox.com is my website. You can go to Amazon. It’s available in paperback also on Kindle and hopefully coming to a bookstore near you very soon.
Fred Holland: This is off a little bit but you read.
Tim Knox: I do, yeah.
Fred Holland: I like to have a book.
Tim Knox: I do too.
Fred Holland: My wife has the Nook and she loves it. I like to have something I can… and have like two or three on the nightstand marked in various places.
Tim Knox: I do too.
Fred Holland: I want it in my hands.
Tim Knox: I’ve got one of those Kindles. This is a good story. My teenage daughter, Ciara who is 18, has a Kindle but if it is a book she likes she wants the book. She wants to be able to hold the book and turn the pages. Hopefully they’ll never stop printing books. The Kindle is nice if you’re at the gym and stuff but I’m not going to sit on the toilet and read Rolling Stone on the Kindle. I’m sorry; I’m not going to do it.
Fred Holland: You’re like me. These self-help books – I like to highlight stuff, make little notes in the margins and everything.
Tim Knox: Technology’s great but give me my book. I like something I can hold and read.
Fred Holland: So Angel of Mercy isn’t so farfetched.
Tim Knox: I don’t think it’s farfetched at all.
Fred Holland: So you’ve got a doctor who’s kind of a Kevorkian type.
Tim Knox: He’s more of a… if Brad Pitt was Dr. Kevorkian. He’s good looking, tall, young, that sort of thing. What he’s accused of doing is actually administering the drugs to the patients for them to die, which is what Kevorkian did but again once he gets turmoiled in this, the laws get changed. The medically assisted suicide, I think it’s in a dozen states.
Fred Holland: And we’re starting to have some real ethical conversations about who, at what age. We’re having all kinds of really weird issues. We’re not going to solve this in our lifetime I don’t think.
Tim Knox: No we’re not but it comes down to do you have the right to tell me how to end my life?
Fred Holland: Particularly if you’re in pain. I’ve had several people close to me who were in horrible pain. We take our dogs and cats to the vet to euthanize but we don’t do it with our loved ones.
Tim Knox: Maybe Uncle Fred needs to be put down, in all seriousness. You’ve known terminal people and I’ve known terminal people. I’m in relatively good health but if something happened to me and the quality of life was denigrated so bad to where I was bedridden, I was in constant pain – in my opinion, I should have the right to end my life. It’s kind of sad. You talk about this all the time. Everyone wants to tell you how to live your life. Well now they want to tell you how to end your life. That’s the big argument on the side of the death with dignity crowd, if you will. We have the right to end our lives the way we see fit.
Fred Holland: So this whole story, without giving the whole thing away because you want people to read the book. Apparently this is a guy who becomes very popular for this reality show about helping people end their lives. As happens in human nature, it kind of goes off the tracks.
Tim Knox: Well what happens is this reality show becomes extremely popular. To get on the show you have to submit a video tape audition.
Fred Holland: Audition for dying.
Tim Knox: Audition for dying. One of the toughest parts of the book I wrote was actually when Matthew Cruze was watching an audition tape from a terminally ill man from Coleman, Alabama. They interview his friends. You know how these reality shows do. It’s all tearjerkers. Here’s the wife sitting on the couch with the eight little kids and here’s a picture of Harry when he was a big strapping man and here he is now.
Fred Holland: All with tubes running into his body.
Tim Knox: So, you know, what they do is if you are chosen to come on the show, your family gets a death benefit of a half million dollars and you are…
Fred Holland: You don’t get the benefit.
Tim Knox: You don’t get the benefit therefore your family gets a little excited. Melissa would be like, “Can we do this now?”
Fred Holland: I want him to move to the front of the line.
Tim Knox: It’s all tastefully done but again Matthew Cruze, who’s the reporter, he still believes that there was murder committed.
Fred Holland: He’s believing this guy took some shortcuts to get where he is.
Tim Knox: In his mind he did. His thing is because this reality show is so popular and the doctor is so good looking that the public is just kind of overlooking the fact that he killed 12 people. But did he kill 12 people? Hmm.
Fred Holland: That’s the question in the book. Okay, so you can find it on Amazon.
Tim Knox: On Amazon. You can go to TimKnox.com and find it there.
Fred Holland: Angel of Mercy with Tim Knox, and Matthew Cruze is the investigative character.
Tim Knox: He is and he comes from the Irish Cruze, not the Spanish Cruze.
Fred Holland: I didn’t know there was a difference.
Tim Knox: There is a difference, yeah. There’s an Irish line of Cruze, believe it or not.
Fred Holland: You would know that.
Tim Knox: I would know that because I’m Irish. It’s really funny, and we can talk about this if you like. Matthew Cruze is me if I was 35 and single and a reporter for the L.A. Times.
Fred Holland: You’d be digging into this guy.
Tim Knox: I’d be digging into this. I’m an old Irish Knox.
Fred Holland: There’s a little of you I guess in every character. Somebody in the book has got to be you.
Tim Knox: Yeah, I think when you’re writing a book like this and you’re creating characters, they always start with you and then they branch out from there.
Fred Holland: We’ll look at some other stuff you’re doing and we’ll talk some more about Angel of Mercy. Tim Knox, this is his first novel – at least the one that he admits that he’s got published. What, you have six others in the box?
Tim Knox: I’ve got six others in the box I’ve been working on for 30 years.
Fred Holland: You’ve written a couple of things. You do a lot of speaking and a lot of op-ed kind of stuff. A book so different because it has a beginning and end; you’ve got character and story development and all of that. This whole thing got started with a conversation with you and your wife or was the idea in your head before that? What really was the catalyst?
Tim Knox: The thing that really drove me to this was, you know, reality television is so prevalent now and I think it is so stupid. To me, there’s nothing really real about it.
Fred Holland: It’s cheap to produce.
Tim Knox: That’s the thing. It’s cheap to produce.
Fred Holland: And they go, here, I want you to have a tantrum.
Tim Knox: Exactly. I sit there. My wife and I will watch these shows and we’re like can you believe these people are just showing their butts on TV?
Fred Holland: Some of them are literally showing their butts, like Big Brother. Why would I want to watch this?
Tim Knox: It just seemed like there was a new reality show coming out every day and it really was a conversation. I think Melissa said the only thing they don’t show is somebody getting killed or someone actually dying. In my head I thought they will very soon. That will come. The first idea for this book, I was going to make the anti-hero a serial killer. The cameras would follow him around as he did his thing and that was even too farfetched for me. So then I read a story on the medically assisted suicide and that’s when the whole thing kind of cliqued and came together.
Fred Holland: So you have this doctor and his name is…
Tim Knox: Adrian Zoebel, which is a very regal doctorish name.
Fred Holland: So where did he go to medical school?
Tim Knox: You know I have a whole backstory on this guy. That’s one of the fun things I did in this book was creating a history for every character. He went to Harvard Med, graduated, moved to Los Angeles and joined this small cancer practice. Because of his good looks and bedside nature the practice grew, one of the four most cancer docs in the country and then patients start dying. The characters have to be bigger than life because one thing when you do write fiction, your characters drive the story. A lot of times you’ll read books where the characters are really well written but the story’s not, but the characters carry them through. That’s what goes on with a lot of reality television. These Duck Dynasty guys, I’m sorry, I hate Duck Dynasty.
Fred Holland: I go, wait a minute, that can’t be real. Your life can’t be that exciting.
Tim Knox: The thing that gets me though is not how scripted the show is; it’s how high the pedestal is that the viewing public is putting these guys on. You go on Facebook and you see pictures of the Robertson family being compared to the Apostles of Christ. Really, guys?
Fred Holland: I think they’re good people but how many ministers have you known in your life who, you know, you admired and then you find out they were just doing horrible things? We’re human. Sadly, these people get… and I go back to… I didn’t mean to pick on ministers. It could be a CEO, whatever. I mentioned ministers because a couple came to mind but like this doctor in this book, you become just like politicians. Politicians become drunk with power. You’ve got to be a little bit of a narcissist to run for office I think but you get to a point where you’ve been there so long, you become so insulated that you start cutting corners and this is okay and this is okay and suddenly you find yourself in trouble, which I think is what you’re trying to say about this guy. He has become very powerful and everybody’s at his feet.
Tim Knox: That is the thing. You hit the nail right on the head there. Like on these reality shows – when the public starts believing that you are something you are not, you 9 times out of 10 become that. You know what I mean?
Fred Holland: It’s a scary thing.
Tim Knox: It really is and this is a theme of the book. He has this power over of the public because they have bought into this show. They have made him a star. You look at people like Kim Kardashian, who has no…
Fred Holland: Who has no value to me at all. My wife is like, oh did you hear about this? I don’t care!
Tim Knox: She has no talent. She is famous for being famous.
Fred Holland: Well she was in a video, right? Isn’t that how she got famous?
Tim Knox: I guess.
Fred Holland: I’ve never seen it.
Tim Knox: I’ve never seen it either but, you know, and that’s the way reality television works. It takes people who… I’m not saying they don’t have anything to contribute but they don’t have anything to contribute of value that I want to watch 9 times out of 10. Now I love the car shows and the house flipping and the rehabbing and all that stuff but the “I’ve got 8 wives and 24 kids” or “I weigh 600 pounds and can’t get my fat butt out of bed”… I almost slipped and said something.
Fred Holland: That’s okay.
Tim Knox: Those kinds of things, that is a view into reality that I’m not sure we need to see but we hook onto people like the Duck Dynasty people, the Pawn Stars people. We make them stars. We inflate their ego and that’s where their power comes from.
Fred Holland: I guess I have seen… I’ve been around long enough to have seen very good people go down very bad paths. It’s either drugs or alcohol or ego or stepping outside their marriage or whatever it happens to be, because they become these powerful people that they in their mind are and people have led them to believe they are. The public is really finicky because they like to see you fall.
Tim Knox: That’s the thing. Isn’t that something? The public really likes to see you mess up. The half of the public that doesn’t like the people you like, love to come back and go, “See? Told you.”
Fred Holland: Look at how many people piled on Paula Deen for something she said a long time ago that was… it was like they couldn’t wait. “See, that’s the South!”
Tim Knox: The public is fickle. I think some people like to see you do good but I think the majority of people like to see you fall. I think that’s just human nature and that’s why reality television is what it is.
Fred Holland: Scotty and I share this favorite, the old Andy Griffith movie Face in the Crowd. Remember the movie?
Tim Knox: Yeah. Talk about some overacting in that movie.
Fred Holland: The story, again, is this guy who all of a sudden becomes empowered with this… these stupid people will do anything I tell them and it all comes crashing down around him.
Tim Knox: Did you see the Justin Bieber video where he was being interviewed by the lawyer?
Fred Holland: No but it doesn’t surprise me.
Tim Knox: It goes back to… I don’t remember the case but he was being interviewed by a lawyer and he was just a total butthead. He was just rude and entitled and you watch that video… no one could have watched that video and been proud of Justin Bieber.
Fred Holland: And he didn’t start out that way.
Tim Knox: He was a nice, innocent human. When you’ve got everyone telling you how great you are and living off of your talent, it can go to your head.
Fred Holland: Michael Jackson ended up dead in the same kind of situation.
Tim Knox: Yeah, a lot of them dead.
Fred Holland: So you’ve got a character here who you’ve developed who kind of falls into this same thing. He’s bigger than life.
Tim Knox: This is a doctor who started out with the best of intentions and it’s kind of one of the mysteries of the book. Are his intentions still good? Did he really do what he is accused of doing? He started out as someone who cared for his patients but now he has this entire persona on television. It’s hard to walk the red carpet with Angelina Jolie and still be a conscious doctor I guess.
Fred Holland: You know who you somewhat admire in a lot of this… I don’t know if this happens to this character – you’ll have to read this book Angel of Mercy by Tim Knox. I admire somewhat the people, and I hope this happens to Justin Bieber. I’m not a fan of Justin Bieber but I hope perhaps wisdom overtakes him and he pulls himself out of this. Then you gain new respect for somebody who’s walked a walk that was very tough and they survived it. Those kind of people gain from their…
Tim Knox: Gain insights, yeah. I don’t know if that will happen to Justin Bieber.
Fred Holland: I don’t know if it will or not. He may not be that smart but you hope he is, you pray he is.
Tim Knox: He’s a teenager who has it all. Think back to when you and I were 17. If we had 100 million dollars, geez, we’d be out of control. I was broke driving a 20 year old car but I was still an idiot.
Fred Holland: I’m surprised I’m alive. Anyway, Tim Knox the author of Angel of Mercy – it’s again one of those euthanasia, one of those things we’ve been talking about I guess for well over a decade. It actually is legal in a few states.
Tim Knox: It is.
Fred Holland: But a reality show about killing people.
Tim Knox: Not that farfetched.
Fred Holland: Not that far off the beaten path I’ll tell you. Angel of Mercy is the book. The main character here, the investigative reporter Matthew Cruze, who’s a little bit of Tim Knox, the author.
Tim Knox: A little bit.
Fred Holland: Does this make you want to do another one of these?
Tim Knox: Write another book?
Fred Holland: Yeah and how long did this one take you?
Tim Knox: Well actually this one came together pretty quickly. You know me. I’m a pretty creative guy. If I don’t have some outlet creatively I really go crazy. I wrote this during a time… my day job, I do software consulting and small business consulting and [yawn] it’s so exciting.
Fred Holland: It depends on your perspective.
Tim Knox: Yeah but I was knee deep into a contract that was requiring just all of my brain cells and I had no creative outlet. Then when I got this idea I started writing the book at night and it actually came together pretty quickly. I wrote this book in about six months, which is quick for writing a 90,000 word novel. Once I had it written I re-edited it three or four times. I had a professional editor go through it. Writing the book really is a chore, you know. A lot of people tell you, “Oh I just love writing. I love writing.” Shut up, no you don’t.
Fred Holland: When you get the feedback, “Your character development is all flawed,” and you go, “What? I spent hours on this.”
Tim Knox: Writers do not take criticism well. I’ll put it that way. I have to approach writing, whether it’s this book or a business book or whatever; it really is almost like a side job. You’ve got to go in and dedicate so many hours a day to do it. You sit down in front of the computer and you don’t get up until you’ve got something on the page.
Fred Holland: I’m fascinated by people who tell interesting stories and I’ll always ask people what’s the most important thing about writing a book? Inevitably the answer is you’ve got to start.
Tim Knox: You’ve got to start. You’ve got to write every day.
Fred Holland: You’ve got to write the first one and then stick with it.
Tim Knox: That’s it.
Fred Holland: So this one is pretty timely as far as human events go. Angel of Mercy, a doctor who is… has he run amuck, taking people out in a reality TV series who are terminally ill? I don’t know. You’ll have to find out and read the book. Again, TimKnox.com and also on Amazon. One more segment with Tim Knox coming up.
You’ve done this radio thing before haven’t you?
Tim Knox: I’ve been doing this for, gosh, going on 30-something years on and off. In fact, you may not remember this. Remember when you were at Way Radio years ago, back in the 1800s?
Fred Holland: Yeah.
Tim Knox: Back when both of us had darker hair.
Fred Holland: When the mountains were just forming.
Tim Knox: Radio’s like, to people like you and me, it’s our crack. It’s in our blood. I would love to get back into radio.
Fred Holland: Hanging around was always so much fun.
Tim Knox: Hanging around the radio stations?
Fred Holland: Yeah.
Tim Knox: Yeah. Remember when you could smoke at the radio stations and drink and do fun stuff? Radio stations, back when we got into it were more like nightclubs with microphones.
Fred Holland: It was weird and you’d have all kinds of weird people hanging around.
Tim Knox: Yeah. Who’s the guy in the corner? I don’t know but he brought donuts.
Fred Holland: He brought food. Food in a radio station disappears. He brought donuts, this moron.
Tim Knox: I brought you donuts and I asked the guy at the grocery store, I said, “Are these fresh?” and he said, “They’re fresh-ish.”
Fred Holland: Angel of Mercy is your first novel.
Tim Knox: First published novel, yeah.
Fred Holland: First published novel because you have all these others in the shoebox.
Tim Knox: Yeah, they don’t count until you publish them and try to make someone else read them.
Fred Holland: Do you have some reviews yet?
Tim Knox: I’ve had a few. One of the downsides of doing what I do for a living is I haven’t really had a whole lot of time to do marketing and all the stuff that you got to do to sell a book. The thing that I found for me, writing a book is easy. Selling and marketing a book…
Fred Holland: Getting it out there.
Tim Knox: That is tough. There are probably a dozen or so reviews on Amazon already but, yeah, if you read the book if you will go to Amazon and post a review that’d be much appreciated.
Fred Holland: You can also go to TimKnox.com to find out more about Angel of Mercy. This whole idea of getting your book out there… people can self-publish now too.
Tim Knox: I self-published this book and did it through Amazon. They’ve got a little company there called CreateSpace. I think it costs you like $47 to register. You upload a file; you get your cover art. It’s publishing on demand.
Fred Holland: Wow.
Tim Knox: Yeah, so anybody can publish a book. It’s easy to do now. It doesn’t cost you hardly anything but as I said, it’s getting the book out there, getting it in the bookstores, getting it in front of people. It’s difficult, difficult to do.
Fred Holland: But 20 years ago it was, “Oh another publisher turned me down.” You don’t have to do that anymore.
Tim Knox: Yeah. When I did my business book I was actually published through John Wiley & Sons. I was lucky – right place, right time, good topic, et cetera. But yeah, you would either have to try to get it published or you would do what they call vanity press, which means you would basically pay a printer to print books for you. If you look back at some of the books… John Grisham, when he wrote The Firm he was turned down by every publisher, every agent. He had a bunch of copies printed and he would sell them out of the trunk of his car.
Fred Holland: Wow.
Tim Knox: Dave Ramsey did the same thing, Financial Peace. The first version of Financial Peace was a self-published go to the printer book, and sell it out of the back of your car. Dan Miller did the same thing with 48 Days to the Work You Love. That book started off as a three ring binder in a Sunday School class.
Fred Holland: And somebody is standing there going, “I knew you would be big!”
Tim Knox: Oh yeah.
Fred Holland: But they weren’t the one that would help you.
Tim Knox: It’s kind of funny what happened to Dave and Dan and all these other guys. Once they started selling a lot of books then the publishers came sniffing around them.
Fred Holland: “Hey, we were looking at you the whole time.”
Tim Knox: I would love for someone to say that to me.
Fred Holland: Tim, always great seeing you. Angel of Mercy – Matthew Cruze is an investigative reporter and the doctor… what’s his name again?
Tim Knox: Adrian Zoebel.
Fred Holland: He is a cancer doctor who finds himself in this reality series where people actually die on television.
Tim Knox: They’re dying to get on this show.
Fred Holland: Not so farfetched.
Tim Knox: Not at all.
Fred Holland: TimKnox.com and you can also find it on Amazon. Angel of Mercy. Much success, my friend.
Tim Knox: Thank you.